I have moved past wanting to slap Shona. I think I want to strangle her now. It was good until the very end, that "I probably wouldn't even notice if your swapped in another neuter." comment really got under my skin.
I think I noticed another typo or two but I'm sure you can find them.
It was an excellent chapter to be honest. I imagine conversations like this will be happening between girlfriends more and more frequently in the CARGO 'verse in the coming years.
No I'm getting enraged(that's the word I found last time) at the behavior of a real character from a real story made real by you the author and me the reader.
I actually tried to have this philosophical discussion with an AI chatbot recently, as per usual they do not understand abstract thought very well, or manage to connect what you are saying now to what you have said previously, but at any rate. We have A+ B = C. It is a logical constant. In a world that is seemingly chaos math, logic, and universally objective truths are the only thing we can rely on. A + B = C is one of those, it is a true statement, and logically speaking it does not matter If I and someone else disagree with what A, B, or C are completely. The formula will still hold to be true, ergo EVERY story and character ever written are in fact true.
In the case of Shona, who is just evil incarnate as far as my own morals are concerned, the logical chemical/emotional reaction I have from reading goes beyond that of mere stomach turning into knots anxiety of I the reader seeing something very bad about to befall a main character, because Instead, the main character is going through said very bad thing in real time. I mean my body shakes in fear from Shona sometimes dude. She is very real person to my mind. Sure there are other times I'm right there with Hal where I'm going damn that's a hot scenario I find him in too, but then Shona steps in and says in a sadistically strict way "This is not about your fun"
Ok there is a lot to respond to here, and you already know before you ask I'm going to be as thorough as possible, so here goes.
The relationship does not require my approval. This is for several reasons, first is that these are fictional characters, but setting that aside, let's pretend that you wrote about real people, or that I had managed to witness this relationship first hand, my approval would neither been needed nor asked for. Thirdly, even if I did have an objection, I could do nothing about it anyway. That would have been up to Hal. In all reality he should have gone to the police the instant he could get away from the house after his red button was pressed against his will. File a police report and sue. Take documented proof of the cuts into his skin. Explain why he was in the vulnerable situation himself, and whether he won any financial compensation from suing her would have been irrelevant. It would have been his job to cause as big a stink about it as he possibly could. Create a scandal so big that it effected her career, because he was fired over it, and it would simply be the best justice he could have served in return. And hopefully prevent any other young men from falling into this trap as well. Unfortunately Hal was thinking with that throbbing locked away penis, because instead of doing that he said "This is my chance to live like the slave of ancient rome I have been building my entire life upon. Every step I have made has lead me to this moment." etc. etc.
NOW setting all of that aside, what you are actually wondering is what it would take for me to submit to Shona aren't you? Because that is the only way my opinion on what would be acceptable makes any sense. First of all, I freely admit that I seek fantasy fulfillment. The only way I would consent to permalocking would be knowing without a doubt the rest of my kinks would be met. The whole "something about pressure points thing" would have to go. I'd be in a device that still allows me to get pleasure from my prostate. That's really my requirement for permalock I'd love it if all of the orgasms I would normally have alone get fully replaced with prostate milkings. I'd be with someone that wants to play with me, not just command me.
You see I don't actually have much to offer a Dom/me anymore. I present as someone who knows all about the lifestyle, my first Master having been very Old Guard and high protocol. Not saying that I wouldn't need correction to reach that mindset occasionally, but I have been through what Hal is experiencing. Keep your eyes down. Do not speak unless spoken to. How to present yourself in a pleasing way at all times. Always walk one step behind and one step to the right. Ready to grab a lighter for a cigarette at all times before it is asked for. Ready to open the door for Master. Ready to obey without question, and learn to anticipate needs. Keep house clean. Keep bills paid. Keep off the furniture. Keep Masters boots shiny and in good condition.
Except it has been years since I've been in that mindset, and as many CEOs know, it is difficult to hire older individuals because they already have experience. It is easier to hire young and train them yourself in your way of doing things. Likewise many dom/me want that ability to break in someone new themselves. To mold someone into the perfect service oriented slave to suit their needs. I can not really offer that up front. I am eager to have something 24/7 because I want that ability to fulfill as many fantasies as possible. I have always imagined that someone else would have the same or similar fantasies as mine just on the other side of the slash so very compatible.
The reality is very different, because dominants like kinks for different reasons, usually as a means of breaking in someone new, proving that the reality is different from the fantasy in a be careful what you wish for way, or as a way of pushing you beyond your limits, where as I don't have that many limits really, I have a good idea of what I like already and the limits that I do have are hard. No scat, no blood, no beastiality, no branding, no broken bones, no necrophilia, no humiliation, or forced fem. Everything else is already on the table.
I will not ask you for a scene, once it's established that we are in a relationship I don't bring up my fantasies at all, because I want them to come from you. I want them to feel real. Though be prepared for me to critique your technique at times for safety reasons especially if you are new to doing something. I do not insist on a safeword. It is built on trust, if I can not trust you I will walk away. You will know from my body language what is going on in my head if you are paying attention.
Being at the tender mercies of three beautiful women would pretty hard to take without the slave feeling very aroused and helpless.. The slave's humiliation is apparently only in the mind of the slave. I would think that at least one woman would enjoy edging the slave and watching him suffer.
I have moved past wanting to slap Shona. I think I want to strangle her now. It was good until the very end, that "I probably wouldn't even notice if your swapped in another neuter." comment really got under my skin.
I think I noticed another typo or two but I'm sure you can find them.
It was an excellent chapter to be honest. I imagine conversations like this will be happening between girlfriends more and more frequently in the CARGO 'verse in the coming years.
Yes, the CARGO act hasn't even passed yet!
But you're getting angry at a rollercoaster...
No I'm getting enraged(that's the word I found last time) at the behavior of a real character from a real story made real by you the author and me the reader.
I actually tried to have this philosophical discussion with an AI chatbot recently, as per usual they do not understand abstract thought very well, or manage to connect what you are saying now to what you have said previously, but at any rate. We have A+ B = C. It is a logical constant. In a world that is seemingly chaos math, logic, and universally objective truths are the only thing we can rely on. A + B = C is one of those, it is a true statement, and logically speaking it does not matter If I and someone else disagree with what A, B, or C are completely. The formula will still hold to be true, ergo EVERY story and character ever written are in fact true.
In the case of Shona, who is just evil incarnate as far as my own morals are concerned, the logical chemical/emotional reaction I have from reading goes beyond that of mere stomach turning into knots anxiety of I the reader seeing something very bad about to befall a main character, because Instead, the main character is going through said very bad thing in real time. I mean my body shakes in fear from Shona sometimes dude. She is very real person to my mind. Sure there are other times I'm right there with Hal where I'm going damn that's a hot scenario I find him in too, but then Shona steps in and says in a sadistically strict way "This is not about your fun"
But sure you call it a rollercoaster lol
Thanks! That's an amazing complement!
Another way to look at the story would be as a thought experiment: what is the minimum you'd have to change before you approved of the relationship?
Suppose they alternated Mistress/slave and Girlfriend/Boyfriend on a monthly cycle?
Or suppose Hal was part of a pool of housetrained chastes, available for part time slaving?
Ok there is a lot to respond to here, and you already know before you ask I'm going to be as thorough as possible, so here goes.
The relationship does not require my approval. This is for several reasons, first is that these are fictional characters, but setting that aside, let's pretend that you wrote about real people, or that I had managed to witness this relationship first hand, my approval would neither been needed nor asked for. Thirdly, even if I did have an objection, I could do nothing about it anyway. That would have been up to Hal. In all reality he should have gone to the police the instant he could get away from the house after his red button was pressed against his will. File a police report and sue. Take documented proof of the cuts into his skin. Explain why he was in the vulnerable situation himself, and whether he won any financial compensation from suing her would have been irrelevant. It would have been his job to cause as big a stink about it as he possibly could. Create a scandal so big that it effected her career, because he was fired over it, and it would simply be the best justice he could have served in return. And hopefully prevent any other young men from falling into this trap as well. Unfortunately Hal was thinking with that throbbing locked away penis, because instead of doing that he said "This is my chance to live like the slave of ancient rome I have been building my entire life upon. Every step I have made has lead me to this moment." etc. etc.
NOW setting all of that aside, what you are actually wondering is what it would take for me to submit to Shona aren't you? Because that is the only way my opinion on what would be acceptable makes any sense. First of all, I freely admit that I seek fantasy fulfillment. The only way I would consent to permalocking would be knowing without a doubt the rest of my kinks would be met. The whole "something about pressure points thing" would have to go. I'd be in a device that still allows me to get pleasure from my prostate. That's really my requirement for permalock I'd love it if all of the orgasms I would normally have alone get fully replaced with prostate milkings. I'd be with someone that wants to play with me, not just command me.
You see I don't actually have much to offer a Dom/me anymore. I present as someone who knows all about the lifestyle, my first Master having been very Old Guard and high protocol. Not saying that I wouldn't need correction to reach that mindset occasionally, but I have been through what Hal is experiencing. Keep your eyes down. Do not speak unless spoken to. How to present yourself in a pleasing way at all times. Always walk one step behind and one step to the right. Ready to grab a lighter for a cigarette at all times before it is asked for. Ready to open the door for Master. Ready to obey without question, and learn to anticipate needs. Keep house clean. Keep bills paid. Keep off the furniture. Keep Masters boots shiny and in good condition.
Except it has been years since I've been in that mindset, and as many CEOs know, it is difficult to hire older individuals because they already have experience. It is easier to hire young and train them yourself in your way of doing things. Likewise many dom/me want that ability to break in someone new themselves. To mold someone into the perfect service oriented slave to suit their needs. I can not really offer that up front. I am eager to have something 24/7 because I want that ability to fulfill as many fantasies as possible. I have always imagined that someone else would have the same or similar fantasies as mine just on the other side of the slash so very compatible.
The reality is very different, because dominants like kinks for different reasons, usually as a means of breaking in someone new, proving that the reality is different from the fantasy in a be careful what you wish for way, or as a way of pushing you beyond your limits, where as I don't have that many limits really, I have a good idea of what I like already and the limits that I do have are hard. No scat, no blood, no beastiality, no branding, no broken bones, no necrophilia, no humiliation, or forced fem. Everything else is already on the table.
I will not ask you for a scene, once it's established that we are in a relationship I don't bring up my fantasies at all, because I want them to come from you. I want them to feel real. Though be prepared for me to critique your technique at times for safety reasons especially if you are new to doing something. I do not insist on a safeword. It is built on trust, if I can not trust you I will walk away. You will know from my body language what is going on in my head if you are paying attention.
Being at the tender mercies of three beautiful women would pretty hard to take without the slave feeling very aroused and helpless.. The slave's humiliation is apparently only in the mind of the slave. I would think that at least one woman would enjoy edging the slave and watching him suffer.
Interesting nuance!
I'm fascinated by the idea of being "just a slave", of being genuinely objectified.
One of the themes throughout is that Shona rarely if ever sets out to tease him. She just suits herself, and he's a sort of participant voyeur.
(However, some of my older books have group teasing etc scenes in them.)