"With great power comes great responsibility". A quote from a spiderman movie no less. However, our Mistress is finding out that having a slave means that you are responsible for that human being. You can do so much, and be so much with a slave, but it is like training a child. Life goes on! (with whatshisname)
Well that's a lie. My response isn't interesting or original at this point, but I shall expand. She is insulting, selfish, and condescending. Acting without thinking anything through, in what I would consider to be an abusive way.
As I have stated before I would never be able to do her or this story justice. You have your own style, and it does work, as an insanely hot fantasy, but not in real life. Not in the way I place myself into his shoes every time I read it.
In my fantasy/real life, which also as I have stated before admittedly gets a lot less action than your fictional characters do...I submit out of love to a partner who has earned it. That's why I don't pay pro dommes, there is no long lasting relationship there if it is built on my wallet.
Reading about Shona is like what they used to say about the Howard Stern show. Love him or Hate him, you still want to know what he is going to say next.
No, I asked because I was genuinely interested in your perspective. Thinking about it in light of your remarks is useful. Shona and Hal's adventures are designed to be hot and erotic, but they are also something of a thought experiment.
Shona is well aware that she's not particularly nice to be around, and she's no good at relationships, especially live in ones - though note her warm female friendships - but she does like to feel desired and looked after. She's not really evil in the sense that she does unethical things out in the world, but she's stopped feeling responsibility for the men who enter her orbit. They - Hal in particular - know what they are letting themselves in for.
Hal is a lovely guy, but not really suited to the 21st century. His only professional qualifications are in Ancient History, an interest he's started to realise was spawned by his fetishes. He can't muster up enough enthusiasm for another career track. Left to his own devices, he'd probably drift into something people facing that he didn't much care about. He's also not really very good at relationships either.
And there's Shona who is magnificent in so many ways, and utterly out of his league. He's no idea how he'd have a conversation with her, let alone fit into her life...
I suppose Hal isn't you and I because he is missing the other things in his life to tie him to autonomous adulthood. In the same way, Shona isn't based on Xena because Xena likes and needs the peer aspects of our relationship. But what if I didn't have the ties and she didn't have the vanilla needs?
Hal definitely did not know what he was getting himself into. Not that he has any hope of actually getting out of it now anyway. Who else would have him? Shona neutering multiple someones unwillingly isn't unethical? I mean in that sense Hal is doing other victims a favor by not letting her push other subs red buttons for a while lol Not that there aren't other women willing I suppose.
Shona is magnificent? Why? Because she has a sexy body and is willing to use it to climb the corporate ladder? Can we really say that we have seen something magnificent about her as readers?
I did not accuse you of basing Shona on Xena. You've in fact mentioned that you've met other dommes in your youth that Shona is based on, without going into further details, and I do not press. Though I would accuse you of basing Hal on yourself. A step down memory lane, or a future that you might have taken?
For my own journey, without bias, without proclaiming myself as someone completely self righteous and without my own flaws. I have not found the right partner. And not without having tried. That's how I always thought of it. I wanted someone to share my life with, someone I could devote myself to and grow with. BUT I also wanted them to be the complete package, and by that I mean someone who shares ALL of my kinks, capable of fantasy fulfillment, they just happen to need to be dominant. Meanwhile I care not for looks, nor gender, nor geopraghical location. I have always considered myself as someone who had the potential to be compatible with anyone, but who would be compatible with me?
I began my search when I was 15-16. I am 37 now. I have no illusions. I am not going to find that right partner. I will make compromises, and fulfill my own fantasies, because who could know them better than myself. I won't get to experience everything, because there are some things I simply can not do by myself. Eventually I'll be in a situation where I can travel to Conventions, and hopefully find myself some fun at some larger play parties, but that'll be a few years off at least. For a long time I pursued the life of a slave, eventually I had to turn my attention to self preservation and financial gain, because no one else was going to take care of me except me.
To be clear, I wasn't accusing you of accusing me etc etc... I was just covering all the bases. Sometimes a comment thread can be a blunt instrument.
I'm also finding this a very useful conversation, so thanks for taking the time.
Hal is not exactly a self insert, but yes, the important parts of him are me without the brakes. I did indeed have a couple of very domineering girlfriends in the past. Thankfully, this was pre-internet and nobody knew about FLRs or male chastity.
OK, so maybe Shona is a little bit evil. Her real ethical sin is treating it as this force of nature she doesn't control: if you don't like being hit by lightning, don't play in the thunderstorm. There's also a vulnerability from being aware of her own disagreeability and needing to have a way to square the circle to avoid being alone
Regarding magnificence: Good point. In bashing out the love story, I've not really taken the time to show her being magnificent, and specifically professionally competent. One thread is her coming into her own through femdom and I need to think more on that. I don't think she's consciously manipulative... if anything she's repulsed by using "feminine wiles", it's more about blossoming into a commanding presence that some - very hot dommish - women have.
Hal... how ethical has he been anyway? His parasocial relationship with her when he was just her anonymous cleaner is somewhat icky when looked at from the wrong angle. What was he doing chaining himself up for an inexperienced and clearly overwrought stranger, especially given the vulnerability of his little red button? In some ways, what he did was like getting kicks by climbing over a fence that had a big red sign reading, "Beware of the Bull".
As regards your own search: I think I too was searching from about that age, though only really consciously from maybe 19. I was very lucky to meet Xena at a particular cultural sweetspot where femdom was OK, but not burdened by too many expectations. We also grew our FLR out of a vanilla relationship with some bedroom kink. I think that might be harder these days because malesubs are so self aware of our orientations, but potential dommes less so. It's certainly not easy!
I am rereading your reply multiple times, so that I don't miss anything.
I want to start off by saying that I deeply enjoy our conversation as well, and I do my best to keep it succinct and just hope I don't accidentally come off as insulting. I'm usually pretty good at reading people.
A side note on playing in thunderstorms: one of my fondest memories is playing frisbee in the rain with a neighbor who was studying law in college when I was 7 or 8.
I don't think Shona is vulnerable she has to know she is holding all of the cards, yet I can totally see how she does think of herself that way. You have written that in very clearly now that you point it out.
You have shown her as professionally competent, but you have displayed her in a man's corporate world, sleeping with colleagues that look down on her. Like in fairness Hal is getting the wrath that Victor earned.
Yes placed in the right light this is her origin story.
You're not wrong about Hal making a clearly wrong choice, but if he didn't do that it wouldn't be much of a story now would it? I've had to excuse that one lol
I don't know about the experiences of potential dommes realizing themselves on their journey of self discovery. What I do know about, is that I hear the same thing being said from both sides of the fence. We are both fed up with time wasters, scammers, and spam. Neither bottoms, nor tops of any gender can find each other online, because they only get taken advantage of by people looking to catfish. (Though when I have attempted to point this fact out to others dom or sub they think I don't know what I am talking about)From a certain point of view the entire community has essentially been reduced back to pre-internet era where you just need to go to your local resources and munches, which of course is small and full of it's own drama unless you live in a big city. There are exceptions to this, there are some private servers on Discord I belong to with some good people to TALK to and many of them are content with long distance keyholding. But that's not what I seek. Ideally I want that 24/7 live-in TPE, but my reality is that it must be left to fantasy.
I am glad you and Xena found each other, and have managed to make it work for you. You deserve every moment of happiness my friend. And every cane stroke lol
I know I subscribed before, not sure why it doesn't like to show up properly, did it end? do I need to renew it? Always says I should upgrade but I thought I did.
"With great power comes great responsibility". A quote from a spiderman movie no less. However, our Mistress is finding out that having a slave means that you are responsible for that human being. You can do so much, and be so much with a slave, but it is like training a child. Life goes on! (with whatshisname)
Is it, though?
I suspect Shona just expects a high standard of service out the box. The question is, can cope?
Ok I'm back to wanting to slap her again.
That's a really interesting response. What's she doing wrong?
Well that's a lie. My response isn't interesting or original at this point, but I shall expand. She is insulting, selfish, and condescending. Acting without thinking anything through, in what I would consider to be an abusive way.
As I have stated before I would never be able to do her or this story justice. You have your own style, and it does work, as an insanely hot fantasy, but not in real life. Not in the way I place myself into his shoes every time I read it.
In my fantasy/real life, which also as I have stated before admittedly gets a lot less action than your fictional characters do...I submit out of love to a partner who has earned it. That's why I don't pay pro dommes, there is no long lasting relationship there if it is built on my wallet.
Reading about Shona is like what they used to say about the Howard Stern show. Love him or Hate him, you still want to know what he is going to say next.
No, I asked because I was genuinely interested in your perspective. Thinking about it in light of your remarks is useful. Shona and Hal's adventures are designed to be hot and erotic, but they are also something of a thought experiment.
Shona is well aware that she's not particularly nice to be around, and she's no good at relationships, especially live in ones - though note her warm female friendships - but she does like to feel desired and looked after. She's not really evil in the sense that she does unethical things out in the world, but she's stopped feeling responsibility for the men who enter her orbit. They - Hal in particular - know what they are letting themselves in for.
Hal is a lovely guy, but not really suited to the 21st century. His only professional qualifications are in Ancient History, an interest he's started to realise was spawned by his fetishes. He can't muster up enough enthusiasm for another career track. Left to his own devices, he'd probably drift into something people facing that he didn't much care about. He's also not really very good at relationships either.
And there's Shona who is magnificent in so many ways, and utterly out of his league. He's no idea how he'd have a conversation with her, let alone fit into her life...
I suppose Hal isn't you and I because he is missing the other things in his life to tie him to autonomous adulthood. In the same way, Shona isn't based on Xena because Xena likes and needs the peer aspects of our relationship. But what if I didn't have the ties and she didn't have the vanilla needs?
Hal definitely did not know what he was getting himself into. Not that he has any hope of actually getting out of it now anyway. Who else would have him? Shona neutering multiple someones unwillingly isn't unethical? I mean in that sense Hal is doing other victims a favor by not letting her push other subs red buttons for a while lol Not that there aren't other women willing I suppose.
Shona is magnificent? Why? Because she has a sexy body and is willing to use it to climb the corporate ladder? Can we really say that we have seen something magnificent about her as readers?
I did not accuse you of basing Shona on Xena. You've in fact mentioned that you've met other dommes in your youth that Shona is based on, without going into further details, and I do not press. Though I would accuse you of basing Hal on yourself. A step down memory lane, or a future that you might have taken?
For my own journey, without bias, without proclaiming myself as someone completely self righteous and without my own flaws. I have not found the right partner. And not without having tried. That's how I always thought of it. I wanted someone to share my life with, someone I could devote myself to and grow with. BUT I also wanted them to be the complete package, and by that I mean someone who shares ALL of my kinks, capable of fantasy fulfillment, they just happen to need to be dominant. Meanwhile I care not for looks, nor gender, nor geopraghical location. I have always considered myself as someone who had the potential to be compatible with anyone, but who would be compatible with me?
I began my search when I was 15-16. I am 37 now. I have no illusions. I am not going to find that right partner. I will make compromises, and fulfill my own fantasies, because who could know them better than myself. I won't get to experience everything, because there are some things I simply can not do by myself. Eventually I'll be in a situation where I can travel to Conventions, and hopefully find myself some fun at some larger play parties, but that'll be a few years off at least. For a long time I pursued the life of a slave, eventually I had to turn my attention to self preservation and financial gain, because no one else was going to take care of me except me.
To be clear, I wasn't accusing you of accusing me etc etc... I was just covering all the bases. Sometimes a comment thread can be a blunt instrument.
I'm also finding this a very useful conversation, so thanks for taking the time.
Hal is not exactly a self insert, but yes, the important parts of him are me without the brakes. I did indeed have a couple of very domineering girlfriends in the past. Thankfully, this was pre-internet and nobody knew about FLRs or male chastity.
OK, so maybe Shona is a little bit evil. Her real ethical sin is treating it as this force of nature she doesn't control: if you don't like being hit by lightning, don't play in the thunderstorm. There's also a vulnerability from being aware of her own disagreeability and needing to have a way to square the circle to avoid being alone
Regarding magnificence: Good point. In bashing out the love story, I've not really taken the time to show her being magnificent, and specifically professionally competent. One thread is her coming into her own through femdom and I need to think more on that. I don't think she's consciously manipulative... if anything she's repulsed by using "feminine wiles", it's more about blossoming into a commanding presence that some - very hot dommish - women have.
Hal... how ethical has he been anyway? His parasocial relationship with her when he was just her anonymous cleaner is somewhat icky when looked at from the wrong angle. What was he doing chaining himself up for an inexperienced and clearly overwrought stranger, especially given the vulnerability of his little red button? In some ways, what he did was like getting kicks by climbing over a fence that had a big red sign reading, "Beware of the Bull".
As regards your own search: I think I too was searching from about that age, though only really consciously from maybe 19. I was very lucky to meet Xena at a particular cultural sweetspot where femdom was OK, but not burdened by too many expectations. We also grew our FLR out of a vanilla relationship with some bedroom kink. I think that might be harder these days because malesubs are so self aware of our orientations, but potential dommes less so. It's certainly not easy!
I am rereading your reply multiple times, so that I don't miss anything.
I want to start off by saying that I deeply enjoy our conversation as well, and I do my best to keep it succinct and just hope I don't accidentally come off as insulting. I'm usually pretty good at reading people.
A side note on playing in thunderstorms: one of my fondest memories is playing frisbee in the rain with a neighbor who was studying law in college when I was 7 or 8.
I don't think Shona is vulnerable she has to know she is holding all of the cards, yet I can totally see how she does think of herself that way. You have written that in very clearly now that you point it out.
You have shown her as professionally competent, but you have displayed her in a man's corporate world, sleeping with colleagues that look down on her. Like in fairness Hal is getting the wrath that Victor earned.
Yes placed in the right light this is her origin story.
You're not wrong about Hal making a clearly wrong choice, but if he didn't do that it wouldn't be much of a story now would it? I've had to excuse that one lol
I don't know about the experiences of potential dommes realizing themselves on their journey of self discovery. What I do know about, is that I hear the same thing being said from both sides of the fence. We are both fed up with time wasters, scammers, and spam. Neither bottoms, nor tops of any gender can find each other online, because they only get taken advantage of by people looking to catfish. (Though when I have attempted to point this fact out to others dom or sub they think I don't know what I am talking about)From a certain point of view the entire community has essentially been reduced back to pre-internet era where you just need to go to your local resources and munches, which of course is small and full of it's own drama unless you live in a big city. There are exceptions to this, there are some private servers on Discord I belong to with some good people to TALK to and many of them are content with long distance keyholding. But that's not what I seek. Ideally I want that 24/7 live-in TPE, but my reality is that it must be left to fantasy.
I am glad you and Xena found each other, and have managed to make it work for you. You deserve every moment of happiness my friend. And every cane stroke lol
(It really is good to be able to discuss the themes of my story, by the way. THANK YOU!)
I know I subscribed before, not sure why it doesn't like to show up properly, did it end? do I need to renew it? Always says I should upgrade but I thought I did.